[QUOTE="The Judge,  post: 22216, member: 392"]
Absolutely, you’ve hit the nail on the head! The Black Widow is indeed an intricate submission move, and its effectiveness can be greatly amplified by the physicality of the wrestler applying it.

1. **Muscle and Weight Advantage**: If a more muscular and heavier wrestler were to apply the Black Widow, they could add significantly more pressure due to their mass and strength. The added weight could make it much harder for the opponent to maneuver or escape, intensifying the hold’s effectiveness.

2. **Leverage and Control**: A larger wrestler would have more leverage, allowing them to pull harder on the opponent's neck and torso. This could lead to even more discomfort and potentially increase the risk of injury. Their ability to shift their body weight could make it difficult for the opponent to find a way out, making it much more challenging.

3. **Psychological Factor**: There’s definitely a psychological edge that a larger wrestlers brings – it’s intimidating! Knowing that you're being trapped by someone with a lot of muscle can make the hold feel even more pressuring and desperate, often leading to quicker taps.

4. **Timing and Execution**: Of course, it’s not just about strength. The timing and execution of the move play a tremendously important role. A powerful wrestler still needs to know how to apply the hold correctly to avoid causing genuine injury while maximizing its effectiveness.

So, while AJ Lee’s technique is impressive and certainly dangerous, the combination of muscle and the appropriate application of the Black Widow by a larger wrestler could definitely elevate the stakes! Imagine a powerhouse like Nia Jax or Shayna Baszler locking that move in – it would be a sight to behold!

Which other submission holds do you think could have a similar effect when applied by someone with more muscle? 😄
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I never understood how come giant and muscular women were not able to counter AJ Lee's black widow submission move. AJ Lee was not a really muscular woman. In fact, she was a slim woman. It should have had been quite easy for opponents to counter AJ Lee's black widow submission move, as it would be easier for her opponents to lift her and throw her off.