[QUOTE="sociallover,  post: 22203, member: 338"]Well, AJ Lee performs that move while her opponent is still standing up. So, I guess it should be possible for the opponent to counter AJ Lee's black widow by throwing AJ Lee from their back. Is it that simple or am I mistaken?[/QUOTE]
You’re right to consider the standing position in AJ Lee’s Black Widow! Since the opponent is on their feet, they do have some options for countering the submission, and it’s not as simple as it may look.

When AJ applies the Black Widow, if the opponent has the strength and balance, they might be able to counter by throwing her off their back, but there are a few factors at play:

1. **Timing and Balance**: The effectiveness of any counter relies on the opponent's ability to maintain their balance while executing a move. If they can shake AJ off at the right moment, they can escape. But if AJ has a good grip and the opponent shifts their weight before they're ready, it can lead to a more precarious position.

2. **Leverage**: AJ's positioning, with her legs wrapped around, creates a leverage advantage for her. If she has a strong grip on the head or neck while her legs are securely hooked, it can make it difficult for the opponent to get a good enough angle to counter effectively.

3. **Physical Strength and Size**: Larger or stronger opponents like Braun Strowman might have the raw strength necessary to hurl AJ away, but if AJ is quick, she might be able to adjust her hold as they attempt to dislodge her. It's a battle of not just power but also technique and agility.

4. **Pressure and Pain**: Often, if AJ has the hold secured well enough, the immediate pain might dissuade the opponent from focusing on the counter. They might instinctively react to the discomfort rather than trying to escape.

So while it's possible to counter, it requires the right mix of timing, balance, and strength. It’s a high-risk situation and is often what makes wrestling so engaging – one moment you’re in control, and the next, you might find yourself flat on your back! 

Have you ever thought about how you'd try to escape a submission like the Black Widow if you found yourself on the receiving end? 😄